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Bloggers Round Table: Too soon?

Thursday, April 14th, 2011

New Voices blogger Max Moncaster recently discovered the Hitler YouTube parodies. He sent me one and suggested we might make it the subject of the Round Table this week.

The one that caught his fancy was this one, in which Hitler can’t find Waldo:

For those whose heads aren’t as firmly planted in the internet video meme world as the rest us, there’s this scene from a relatively recent German film about Hitler. In this scene, Hitler has a German-language meltdown about something or the other. These joke videos all feature different fake subtitles that make Hitler’s rant hilarious. Especially if you don’t know German. Which I don’t.

I was gonna include videos throughout the post, but most of the good ones have had embedding disabled, which sucks.

So the questions I sent to our bloggers this week is:

Too soon? When it comes to making jokes about tragic events, when is it too soon?

Max Moncaster: Our generation the first that can laugh at Hitler
Drawing a universal line for it being “too soon” is virtually impossible, given that people grieve in different ways over various spans of time. But in regards to these videos–which had me in gut-busting laughter for a good hour–I felt that maybe they were inappropriate but could not quite put my finger on why. Interestingly, I have a suspicion that our generation might be one of the first able to really find humor in this. I can’t imagine my mom finding this funny, and certainly not my grandma.

Joshua Reback: This video isn’t funny
Personally, I do not have much to say about the video. It is not that I have been avoiding watching it because of the feelings it induces, nor because I am so busy. It’s just sort of a lame premise. Three and a half minutes cursing about not finding Wally is sort of overdoing it. Youtube has produced a lot of random, priceless and creative videos. This one is too simple and tries to gain its laughs from the mere shock value of seeing Hitler yelling about Waldo. I think that it could have been more creative and included other things he could get frustrated with. Personally, I think it misses the mark.

And you all might think I am missing the mark with that paragraph.

I am wondering if the theme of this discussion is sort of irrelevant. Do the Jewish people still need to evaluate their lot in the world by how much they can make fun of Hitler? More importantly, I want to ask if the special attention we give him and his legacy has been misappropriated – have we squandered our collective efforts to memorialize the past and failed to affect the future?

As for making fun of Hitler, we have been doing it for decades. Mel Brooks may have been the one to lead the charge and break the taboo, but he made The Producers in 1968. It is not just that we have been dealing with the question of using Hitler as a butt in our jokes, but we have dealt with it. We should have moved beyond it and relegated this question to historians by now.

Harpo Jaeger:
I think they’re hilarious. Especially the one where Hitler reacts to the Hitler parodies being taken off YouTube due to copyright infringement:

(Thankfully, that one was still available for embedding.)

Carly Silver: Funny at first, and then…
It’s funny at first, but then I started to watch more and I felt a bit nauseated.

El Weiss: I’m torn
I am really torn. The Holocaust is an extremely sensitive topic to me, I’m the granddaughter of Auschwitz survivors and I bear a lot of the scars. Hitler isn’t a funny image to me–it’s a frightening one. I think it’s overused and it’s not creative at all, and it’s a bad idea to trivialize the image of the Holocaust. The image of Hitler shouldn’t be banal. It should be an image of horror. But then again, I do see the healing value of humor. This [Editor's note: See video below, which is not a Hitler video] is blatantly raunchy and misogynistic and yet, it makes me laugh. So yeah, we all have our lines.

Alex Howie: In comedy, anything goes
I don’t find these videos of Hitler in bad taste, but I also don’t find them particularly funny. I think anything is fair game in comedy. If there is one place where political correctness has yet to overtake us it is comedians, and I like it that way–I think they should be able to make fun of virtually anything. At a recent comedy show I attended, a few individuals were offended by jokes of anorexia and women on their periods. In my opinion, people that are going to be offended so easily shouldn’t go to a comedy club. What is comedy without being able to make fun of any and everything? I’d seen this Hitler video before, and like it better in conjunction with this Daily Show clip.

Leigh Cuen: It’s always too soon for lame jokes
I was introduced to these parodies a few years ago when my ex-boyfriend, a fresh off the boat Iraqi-Israeli here to make his post-military fortune peddling novelties in the mall, laughed so hard that he cried at the hitler parody video about the impossibility of parking in Tel Aviv. I personally don’t think that there’s anything offensive about them. If the joke was about the victims of the holocaust, then I never find that funny. But the concept of acknowledging Hitler’s existence doesn’t offend me. Why shouldn’t we laugh at a joke which makes light a vicious dictator, not his actions but his personhood? I’m down for it. As long as it’s actually clever. It’s always too soon for lame jokes.

Bloggers’ Round Table: Movement affiliation on campus?

Tuesday, April 5th, 2011

HUC2The Conservative movement recently unveiled its new strategic plan. The Reform movement recently announced the identity of its new leader. The Conservative strategic plan’s original draft would have killed Koach, the Conservative college group. Thanks to the efforts of a group of Koach members, the new version preserves it. Two years ago, a round of restructuring completely de-funded Kesher, the Reform college group.

Given all of that and given your personal experiences before and during college, how strongly would you say that you currently identify with a particular stream or movement of Judaism?

Our bloggers’ answers are pretty telling. And I hope the respective leaderships of the movements are reading.

Harpo Jaeger: ”Pluralistic to a fault”

I suppose I identify most with the Conservative movement, but I really don’t find denominational groupings to be that important to me in terms of practice. I find inspiration in a lot of different approaches to prayer, mostly when people think about how their individual choices affect a community. I’m also pluralistic to a fault–I prefer praying and studying with people from diverse backgrounds and of different levels of experience, knowledge, and engagement, and I tend to be wary of programs that exclude or favor people with a certain background over others. I guess I’ve been on both sides of that dichotomy enough to know that in the long run it doesn’t benefit anyone.

Max Elstein-Keisler: A man with simple needs

As long as there’s no mechitza and no English, I’m cool.

Carly Silver: “I still strongly identify with the Reform movement”

Given all of this, I still strongly identify with the Reform movement. I feel that, especially at Columbia, the Reform groups are both more welcoming and accepting than the Conservative movement and the Orthodox. Of course, I don’t know the ins and outs of those groups, so my judgment isn’t completely sound, but I do wish Kesher got more funding at CU’s campus to put on more events so I could meet more like-minded Jews.

Laura Cooper: A Reform bat mitzvah, a Conservative minyan and an application to YU

I don’t think I could get too involved with any branch. I mean, look at me: I’m having a Reform bat mitzvah while going to Conservative minyan while waiting for Yeshiva University to tell me they rejected me already so I can get on with my life.

You might be putting yourself in a box when you do that because as soon as some new responsum comes out or something, you’ll have to really defend yourself if you disagree with it. Particularly if you are more [halakhically stringent] than your branch lets you be—for example, you can totally drive on Shabbat in the Conservative movement, so if you decide not to, every day you might have to question yourself: “Why don’t I just do what everyone else is doing? It’s not like my branch has anything against it! Not my branch!”

I am fond of those halachic egalitarian minyanim they have going on in New York City, though—I think they are a good and logical progression from women’s tefillah groups. If that could be considered a stream—the independent minyan—I personally think that is a glittering future.

Alex Howie: After some searching, “strongly identify with the Conservative movement”

I was raised as a Reform Jew, went through a phase of Orthodox/non-denominational, and now strongly identify with the Conservative movement.  I have found a home for myself within Conservative Judaism because I agree with its approach to the halachic process and progress, tradition and modernity.  It allows for me to lead a lifestyle based on Torah while not excluding myself from many positive aspects of the secular world.

Alisha Kinman: “It is really important for Jews to be introduced to different movements”

I’d say that I identify more with Conservative Judaism. However, when I was growing up I experienced all different types of Judaism. I grew up going to a Reform congregation and then my mother decided to start attending the Conservative synagogue in town. However, during that same time, I also worked at an Orthodox Jewish kids’ camp in town, so I experienced different forms of Judaism throughout my life. I think that it is really important for Jews to be introduced to different movements before choosing the right one for them.

El Weiss: After swearing off Orthodoxy, “I’m a freelance Jew”

I grew up Orthodox but I remember from an early age not fitting in, refusing to robotically chant the Hebrew prayers that I found meaninglessly foreign. I hated being forced to stick to kosher food, dreaded Shabbat with its endless rules and detested the fact that I was denied a chance to study Talmud in my sleepy little yeshiva elementary school.

I realized that Orthodoxy had a habit of making me feel like I was second class, specifically because I was a woman.  I watched jealously as my cousin went to the Torah for the bar mitzvah and I watched from behind a curtain. I knew I was smarter than said cousin (who really wasn’t exactly the future Vilna Gaon) but somehow, my lack of maleness made me unworthy to go up to the Torah. A year later, I killed God by turning the TV on Shabbos and realized that no one cared. I hadn’t ended the universe. A humiliating and bitter yeshiva high school experience made me swear off Orthodoxy.

Despite the attraction, I didn’t feel Reform Judaism worked me.  The emphasis on Tikkun Olam was wonderful, but that wasn’t a Jewish value, it was a universal one.  I wanted a spiritual life that was turned inwards to the Jewish community, instead of feeling like Jews for everything but Judaism.  Even if I didn’t know what Judaism was, I knew it had to be something worth saving.

Currently, I’m a freelance Jew but I’d like to find a congregation that emphasizes scholarship and charity with a Jewish focus.

Leigh Cuen: “Squabbling over titles” isn’t helpful

I can’t honestly say that I associate myself with any particular stream or movement of Judaism. I definitely believe in God and am both fascinated and exhilarated by Jewish holy texts, by the resolution of life’s pragmatic issues through spiritual and ethical contemplation. I believe in the sacred nature of Jewish traditions and in the necessity of spiritual striving as a core component of personal development. But I’ve found that the minute that a name gets attached to these beliefs, as the daughter of a messianic Jewess who is herself the black sheep among a mixed family of reform and secular Jews, there seems to be a lot of volume and high blood pressure unnecessarily expended. I don’t see squabbling over titles to be something that improves my understanding of the divine, and thus I leave them be.

Gedalyah Reback: “Two Koach presidents in a row became Orthodox the year after they served,”

I got to college nominally affiliated with Conservative Judaism, merely because it was the affiliate movement to the synagogue I started frequenting when I became Jew-curious.  I got involved in Koach, but later broke away and became Orthodox.

I stuck to Israel activism and watched Koach and Kesher face constant leadership crises.  There were few people who wanted to volunteer to keep the two groups afloat.  Two Koach presidents in a row became Orthodox the year after they served.  When I became Education Coordinator for Hillel’s board, I reached out to them and asked if we could sit down and strategize, but got rebuffed because I was Orthodox.

It is a little difficult to assess what the priority should be for Koach or Kesher right now because they seem to reflect the missteps and failings of their larger movements.  The ones who want to lead tend to either be die-hard and ideologically narrow, or on the edge of disillusionment with their peers.

But whatever faults Koach and Kesher–or the Conservative and Reform movements–have do not necessarily strengthen my ties to Orthodoxy.  Their movements might arguably have something to do with their philosophies, but more importantly they reflect their policies.  Orthodoxy is hardly immune to that, especially Modern Orthodoxy.  Throughout college, I watched students who had been raised observant break away or become apathetic. Their attitudes toward religion were no less disconnected or cynical than someone who wasn’t brought up in a house of Jewish law.

The larger Reform movement had been extremely disconnected from activities in Kesher even before they cut off the money line. In effect, Reform admitted that they were not the people to lead the campus fight, much less anything to reconnect younger Jews with the religion.  This generation can  be led only by its own. Delegating authority strengthens Judaism on campus.

Do not get me wrong. I still disagree with Reform Judaism on a fundamental level, and do not accept the way Conservative Judaism adapted a new structure to Jewish life and loosely interpreted core concepts in Jewish law.  But they have earned the responsibility to look after their flock.

As for the wider movements, plus Orthodoxy, I hope trends begin moving away from sectarianism and toward a sort of re-merger.

Bloggers’ Round Table: Purim, St. Patrick’s Day and Spring Break. Whew.

Tuesday, March 22nd, 2011

This week, we asked our bloggers, “Purim, St. Patrick’s Day and Spring Break all came around the same time this year. What was your craziest experience from one of the three?”

Carly Silver: I ran into a boa constrictor.

My craziest spring break experience didn’t involve Purim or St. Paddy’s day, but it did have a boa constrictor. I was in the Caribbean with a tour guide, when we stopped our van on the side of a mountain road. The guide got out and summoned a person standing by the side of the street to the car. The guy was holding a giant boa constrictor around his neck and encouraged us to take pictures with it. I was terrified, but was eventually persuaded to hold the rear half of the boa, aptly named “Boa.”

Max Elstein Keisler: I practiced poor personal hygiene.

I didn’t really have a crazy spring break so much as a boring spring break. I spent pretty much all of it back at my parents’ place, writing the material for my new EP–Vern-Roc from Berklee College of Music and the DE is on the beats. Let’s just say we’re taking it back to reality rap…and spiderman rap. Swag.

Sorry for turning this into self promotion, but my only other answer is “I didn’t shower or shave for a week” and I don’t want my fans knowing that.

David A.M. Wilensky: I actually saw adults misbehaving on Purim.

This guy headed over the Upper West Side for the Romemu/Storahtelling Purim extravaganza. And I was not disappointed. The shul was packed full of the only adults I’ve even actually seen misbehaving on Purim like they’re supposed to. The shpiel, which was tremendously elaborate, was Tea Party-themed. So it was complete with Sarah Palin, Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck, Rachel Maddow and a ludicrous cross-dressing emcee, “Rebbetzin Hadassah Gross.” It was raunchy and completely sloppy. In the best way.

Alisha Kinman: Camping. For real.

This year, I’d say spring break was very memorable this year. It was my first time…camping. No…not camping out at the Hilton or the Hyatt but in an actual tent. I’m not one to get sweaty but I also didn’t want to stay home by myself. I went to this place called Little Talbot Island, close to Amelia Island in Florida, and there was a beach literally in walking distance from our camp site. But for three days…I went without my computer and any other electronic devise (aside from my cell phone…which has no internet on it). There really isn’t a better way to describe going crazy than that.

Bloggers’ Round Table: Should Brandeis Hillel exclude JVP? (Captain Picard says no)

Tuesday, March 15th, 2011

The Bloggers’ Round Table is a new (potentially) weekly feature we’re trying out at New Voices. We e-mailed all of our bloggers a question. And here are some of their answers.

Much to the consternation of some, Hillel at Brandeis voted not to bring the Brandeis chapter of the pro-Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions group Jewish Voice for Peace under Hillel’s umbrella. New Voices Editor Ben Sales weighed in here. And the JTA covered the story in some depth here, including an interview with Ben:

“If Hillel wants to be the Israel advocacy organization on campus that also provides a wealth of other programming for Jewish students, that’s fine,” Sales said, “but then it’s inaccurate to call itself the center for Jewish life while excluding a group of Jewish students who do not support Israel as a Jewish and democratic state but who are not violent or discriminatory, and who ground their positions in Jewish values.”

Here’s what Ben and I have to say about the issue. In a video. This is new for us. Nobody laugh, OK? (We promise we’ll time ourselves and be less long-winded next time.)

Bloggers’ Roundtable: Brandeis Hillel and JVP from New Voices Magazine on Vimeo.

(Oh God. As I’m writing this, Ben is watching the video. We promise to use an actual outline for this next time too.)

Now that we know where we stand, let’s see what other New Voices student bloggers have to say–it’s more diverse than I thought it would be. And one of them quotes Captain Picard. Check out the video below and then keep reading to see what it had to do with Max Elstein Keisler’s opinion on this. The relevant piece of dialog appears about 1:30 in the video.

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El Weiss: Students who support BDS can join other organizations. What do they need Hillel for?

“Campus can be a hostile place for Zionist students and therefore, I think it’s important for Hillel to provide a safe space for Jewish students who identify as Zionists. Yet, there is no requirement that anyone individually be a Zionist to join Hillel. There is no litmus test to participate in Shabbat services, volunteer projects or in any other activities of Hillel. There is no reason why students who are pro-BDS should feel left out, they are free to join as individuals. But just as Hillel has a right to bar Jews for Jesus from joining officially, they have a right to set their own agenda on Israel. BDS supporting students can join many clubs to promote their agenda. Why must they also have Hillel?”

Alisha Kinman: Hillel should exclude those who disagree with Hillel’s mission.

I think that Hillel not welcoming JVP is not a bad thing. Just like every other organization, Hillel has a reputation to uphold. Just like JVP has a reputation as well. Hillel may act as a hub for everyone in the Jewish community but if a form of judaism infringes on Hillel’s mission then I suppose they shouldn’t be welcome.

Harpo Jaeger: If Hillel says in its mission–as it does–that it’s pluralistic, then it should own that word and live up to it.

If, as Hillel’s mission statement says, it is “dedicated to creating a pluralistic, welcoming and inclusive environment for Jewish college students, where they are encouraged to grow intellectually, spiritually and socially,” it cannot continue using Israel as an intellectual purity test. Regardless of its desire to promote student support for Israel, Hillel must recognize that making enemies of Jewish students who don’t fall into step behind its platform is counterproductive and wrong. Every voice deserves to be heard.

Jenna Cohen: What’s wrong with cosponsoring events on campus?

Not allowing Jewish Voice for Peace to become a part of Hillel is certainly a heavy issue. If it was decided not to have them be a part of Hillel, I’m sure there was a legitimate reason. However, I see no problem with them being a presence on the Brandeis campus that perhaps joins with Hillel on occasion to invite speakers and have friendly events.

Max Elstein Keisler: To quote Captain Jean-Luc Picard, the line must be drawn somewhere.

Just because Jews are Jews, doesn’t mean they aren’t Anti-Jew. Look at Gilad Atzmon, or, dare I say it, George Soros. You can be born Jewish and have no attachment to the culture or the people, in fact, you can dislike the Jewish people. I’m not saying JVP is anti-Jew, but they’re anti-Israel, which is where around half the Jews of the world live. Hillel has every right to draw the line somewhere,  to paraphrase Jean-Luc Picard [Editorial clarification: The quote is actually, "The line must be drawn here! This far and no further!"], and supporting BDS, which is about delegitimizing the Jewish state, is a fine place to draw it.

I’m not sure the real quote from Picard actually backs up what Max is saying, but you get his point.

What do you think about the JVP and Hillel at Brandeis?